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Wednesday, July 22, 2009

Medieval UK Battle Records Released Online

http://www.icmacentre.ac.uk/soldier/database/search.php

And here are the Roche's:

First Name De Surname Status Rank Captain Name Commander Year Nature of Activity Reference Membrane
Gilbert
Roche
Man-at-arms Windsor, William de, Sir Windsor, William de, Sir 1374 Standing force Ireland TNA_E101_33_35 m3
James
Roche
Armed archer Windsor, William de, Sir Windsor, William de, Sir 1374 Standing force Ireland TNA_E101_33_35 m2d
John de la Roche
Man-at-arms Brian, Guy Lord Brian, Guy Lord 1371 Keeping of the Sea TNA_E101_31_11 No 2 m2
John
Roche
Archer Stanley, John de, Sir Stanley, John de, Sir 1389-1392 Standing force Ireland TNA_E101_41_18 m25
Martin
Roche
Man-at-arms Nottingham, Thomas de Mowbray, earl of Nottingham, Thomas de Mowbray, earl of 1389-1390 Standing force Scotland (East March) TNA_E101_41_17 m2
Richard
Roche
Archer Orell, Nicholas de Scrope, Stephen le, Sir 1395-1397 Standing force Ireland TNA_E101_41_39 m1ii
Richard
Roche
Archer Orell, Nicholas de Scrope, Stephen le, Sir 1395-1397 Standing force Ireland TNA_E101_41_39 m4ii
Thomas
Roche Esquire Man-at-arms Cotenham, James Scrope, Stephen le, Sir 1395-1397 Standing force Ireland TNA_E101_41_39 m5
William
Roche
Archer Somerset, John de Beaufort, earl of Somerset, John de Beaufort, earl of 1403 Standing force Wales/Garrison Carmarthen TNA_E101_43_21 m2
William
Roche
Archer Villa Nova, Rustin de, Sir Villa Nova, Rustin de, Sir 1404 Garrison Carmarthen/Newcastle Emlyn TNA_E101_43_29 m3
William
Roche
Archer Percy, Thomas, Sir Lancaster, John of Gaunt, duke of 1377-1378 Exped Naval TNA_E101_37_28 m1
William
Roche
Archer Cotenham, James Scrope, Stephen le, Sir 1395-1397 Standing force Ireland TNA_E101_41_39 m5
William
Roche
Archer Neville, John, Sir Scrope, Stephen le, Sir 1395-1397 Standing force Ireland TNA_E101_41_39 m1i
William
Roche
Archer Cotenham, James Scrope, Stephen le, Sir 1395-1397 Standing force Ireland TNA_E101_41_39 m3ii
William
Roche
Archer Cotenham, James Scrope, Stephen le, Sir 1395-1397 Standing force Ireland TNA_E101_41_39 m2
William
Roche
Archer Cotenham, James Scrope, Stephen le, Sir 1395-1397 Standing force Ireland TNA_E101_41_39 m7
William
Roche
Archer Holt, Peter, Sir Scrope, Stephen le, Sir 1395-1397 Standing force Ireland TNA_E101_41_39 m8i
William
Roche
Archer Cotenham, James Scrope, Stephen le, Sir 1395-1397 Standing force Ireland TNA_E101_41_39 m6i
William
Roche
Archer Elmeden, William, Sir
1421 Exped France TNA_E101_50_1 m4
Richard
Roche
Archer Bergavenny, Richard Beauchamp, Lord Gloucester, Humphrey, Duke of 1417 Exped France TNA_E101_51_2 m5
Elys del Roche
Archer Norfolk, John Mowbray, Earl of Gloucester, Humphrey, Duke of 1417 Exped France TNA_E101_51_2 m29
William
Roche
Archer Huntingdon, John Holand, Earl of Huntingdon, John Holand, Earl of 1439 Standing force, Acquitaine TNA_E101_53_22 m2
John
Roche
Archer
Huntingdon, John Holand, Earl of 1439 Standing force, Acquitaine TNA_E101_53_22 m1
John
Roche
Archer
Huntingdon, John Holand, Earl of 1439 Standing force, Acquitaine TNA_E101_53_22 m3
Walter
Roche
Archer Holand, John, Sir Huntingdon, John Holand, Earl of 1439 Standing force, Acquitaine TNA_E101_53_22 m6
John
Roche
Archer Ormond, James, Sir York, Richard, Duke of 1441 Exped France TNA_E101_53_33 m5
Phillip
Roche
Archer Standish, James Beaufort, John, Duke of Somerset 1443 Exped France TNA_E101_54_5 m9
Richard
Roche
Archer Gerard, Thomas Beaufort, John, Duke of Somerset 1443 Exped France TNA_E101_54_5 m5
John
Roche
Archer Griffin, John Beaufort, John, Duke of Somerset 1443 Exped France TNA_E101_54_5 m13
John
Roche
Archer Ormond, James, Sir York, Richard, Duke of 1441 Exped France TNA_E101_54_9 m1
James
Roche Yeoman / Valettus Archer Arundel, Thomas Fitz Alan, Earl of Henry V 1415 sick Exped France TNA_E101_44_30_no1 no1_m8


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Thursday, June 30, 2005

Genealogy Search

Just now came across this helper site - genealogy-search-help - which helps you form google search queries for genealogical searches.

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Monday, June 27, 2005

Col. John Finnis

Recently got a mail from John. He is related to Col. John Finnis - through John Finnis & Elizabeth Wilmott, Great-Uncle of Col. Finnis. Col. John Finnis was one of the first casualty of the 1857 mutiny/revolt in India.

Co. Finnis's wife was Sarah Roche. Sarah's father was Robert Roche and mother was Margaretha Louisa Plusker - they married on 31st May 1809 at Chinsura (in Bengal, India).

Margaretha Louisa Plusker was the youngest daughter of Dr Jacob Plusker.

Robert Roche's parents where Peter Roche and Elizabeth. Robert was born in Rotterdam, Holland on 1st Aug 1787 and died at Chinsura on 14th Dec 1820.

John Finnis was born on 28th Jan 1804 at Hythe, Kent to Robert Finnis. Stephen Finnis (29th Native Infantry) and Thomas Quested Finnis (Lord Mayor of London, 1857) were his brothers.

He married Sarah Bridgetta Dorothea Roche on 2nd Jan 1838 at Dholi (in Bihar & Orissa). Sarah died on 16th Aug 1890 - aged 72.

From John, I got a link to a Finnis web site maintained by Anthony Mercer Finnis - which has Sarah listed. But the details in the site do not match up properly.

So she was probably born around 1818 - based on age at death. The site lists her birth as ca. 1808. Also, her parent married in 1809 ... and she married in 1838 ... so I would lean more toward the 1818 date ...

The site states that she was born in Hythe, Kent. Not sure if she was born in Kent - since her parents were from Holland, so I don't see a reason for her to be born there. She was probably born somewhere in bengal.

But if its the same person - I now know her progeny. The site lists nine children - five boys and four girls.

Also Col. John Finnis's parents are listed as Robert FINNIS (1754-1832) & Elizabeth QUESTED (1762-1839). That would explain his brother's - Thomas Quested Finnis - name.

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Tuesday, June 21, 2005

Three Frenchmen in Bengal

Found the book Three Frenchmen in Bengal in the Project Gutenberg archive. It was written by S. C. Hill in 1903.

The full title of the book is -
Three Frenchmen in Bengal
OR
The Commercial Ruin of the French Settlements In 1757
BY
S.C. HILL, B.A., B.Sc.
Officer in charge of the records of the Government of India
Author of "Major-General Claud Martin"
With Maps and Plans

1903

"This account of the commercial ruin of the French Settlements, taken almost entirely from hitherto unpublished documents".

This book was linked to from the New General Catalog of Old Books and Authors.

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Wednesday, June 08, 2005

Bengal Marriages

The index of Bengal Marriages has been updated with the marriages from 1713 to 1800 too (grooms, brides).

Groom Bride Year OIOC Reference
Roche, Edward "Domingo" 1752 N/1/1/382
Rock, Phillip Parsons, Sarah 1791 N/1/4/123
Rocke, Richard Pattle, Miss 1797 N/1/5/53
Rennell, Francis Roach, Sarah 1800 N/1/5/329


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TANAP VOC Documents

From the TANAP database of VOC Documents.

"This Database of VOC Documents intends to contain the descriptions of all individual documents of the Dutch East India Company (VOC, 1602-1795) all over the world."

Its still incomplete. Currently it contains about 100,000 descriptions of the records sent from the VOC establishments in Asia and South Africa to the Board of Directors of the VOC in the Netherlands. These incoming documents from Asia are called Overgekomen Brieven en Paperen (OBP).

You've got to be a bit creative with the search. For instance Mangalore is spelt as Mangaloor! For locations you can try the Geographical names search.

For Mangalore, I found three records -

Year: 1727
Repository: NA
Fonds code: 1.04.02
Item no.: 9009
Section: mla
Page: 541 - 543

Year: 1732
Repository: NA
Fonds code: 1.04.02
Item no.: 9013B
Section: mla
Page: 3213 - 3298

Year: 1737
Repository: NA
Fonds code: 1.04.02
Item no.: 9022
Section: mla
Page: 529 - 535

The descriptions were in Dutch :(.

For Canara (and its various spellings) there were 115 records!

On searching for Roche I found 10 records. Nine of them referred to Louis Stephanus de la Roche and one to "de la Roche" (possibly the same person).

All of Louis Stephanus de la Roche's records were in Repository "NA", Fonds Code "1.04.02", Item no "8208", Section "mks" and in the year 1736. They were in pages 1 - 3, 3 - 163, 163 - 166, 166 - 177, 177 - 210, 210 - 219, 219 - 225, 225 - 229 and 229 - 239.

The de la Roche record was in the Year 1734, Repository "NA", Fonds Code "1.04.02", Item no "8205", Section "mks" and page 92 - 101.

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Captain David Roche, 1770s

I recently read a book/narrative written by Capt. David Roche. The narrative was about the duel he had with Lieut. Ferguson on his way to India in 1771 at the Cape of Good Hope.

The book is titled
A Plain And Circumstantial Account of the Transactions Between
Capt. Roche and Lieut. Ferguson,
From their First Meeting to the Death of Lieut. Ferguson.
To which is added, The Trial and Depositions at the Cape of Good Hope,
Where Capt. Roche was Acquitted; Also His Second Apprehension;
And the Judicial Proceedings of the Governor and Council of Bombay.
With His Speech to the Privy Council When under Examination Here.
With every other circunstance Attending this remarkable Case.
Duly Authenticated.
L:ondon
Sold by G. Allen, No. 59, in Pater noster Row.
MDCCLXXV.

David Roche, Esq. obtained a Captain's command in the service of the HEIC (Honourable East India Company) in May 1772. He & Mrs Roche embarked on board the Vansittart bound for Bombay.

Others on board the ship were Serjeant Frazer, Serjeant Brown, Lieut. Ferguson, Mr. Grant (a writer), Grant's mother-in-law and her two daughters amongst others.

Lieut. Ferguson and Mr. Grant, the "co-conspirators" were bound for Bombay, but their destination was Bengal. Mr Grant was originally servant to Mr. Beecher, formerly in Council at Bengal, who afterwards promoted him to a desk in his office. Serjeant Frazer was first-cousin to Mrs. Frazer - Grant's mother-in-law.

On the ship Lieut Ferguson repeatedly tried to provoke Capt Roche and once even asked him on duel. Ashore at the Cape of Good Hope, on September 4th 1773, Capt. Roche was walking by the Dutch gardens at around 5 pm when he was attacked by Lieut. Ferguson. In the fight that ensued, Lieut. Ferguson lost his life.

Capt. Roche later took a French ship for passage to Bombay. This was provided by the Dutch Governor and Fiscal at the Cape of Good Hope. He was imprisoned in Bombay and was later acquitted. In 1775 he was in England.

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TANAP

I had a look at the TANAP archives which contains Dutch East India Company Archives & Research.

In their respository of Resolutions of the Council of Policy of Cape of Good Hope (Cape Town Archives Repository, South Africa) found a few references to Roche.

I was specifically looking for any records of Capt. David Roche who was attacked there by Lieut. Ferguson on his way to India in 1772-3. I didn't find any reference to it - or didn't understand it due to the language used in the documents.

Make sure that you read the introduction before reading any of the documents. You may like to look at an example of a Council meeting and an explanation of the structure of Council meeting minutes. The origin of the text and the language of the Resolutions and also consult the glossary to decipher unfamiliar words in the 17th and 18th century Dutch texts .

Here are the Roche referenced in the documents -

Monsr. la Roche
in C. 2, pp. 177-181, Woonsdag den 2en Meert 1661.

Jan de la roche
in C. 76, pp. 104-108, Dingsdag den 11e Maart 1727, voormiddags.

Louisa de la roche
in C. 108, pp. 32-34, Saturdag den 30 Augustus 1738, voormiddags.

Captain la Roche
in C. 159, pp. 377 – 383, K.A., Woensdag den 6: Júnij 1781 as Capitain Heer Chevallier roche.
in C. 159, pp. 384 – 387, K.A., Satúrdag den 16 Júnij 1781 as Mons Roche.
in C. 163, pp. 102 – 125, K.A., Dingsdag den 27: aúg:s 1782 as Chev roche.
in C. 177, pp. 161-204., Dingsdag den 5 febr: 1788. as Capitain la roche.

Major de Bas en la roche
(possibly the same person as above)
in C. 177, pp. 213-248., Donderdag den 14 februarij 1788 as Major de Bas en la roche.
in C. 177, pp. 403-410., Maandag den 24 Maart 1788 as Mrs de Bas & la roche.
in C. 178, pp. 36-56., Dingsdag den 15 April 1788 as de Bas en la roche.
in C. 177, pp. 249-287., Dingsdag den 19 febr: 1788 as Major la roche and De Bas Chev de la roche.
in C. 177, pp. 364-402., Dingsdag den 18 Maart 1788 as Maj Chevalier de la roche, De Bas Chev de la roche and Chevalier de la roche.

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Wednesday, April 06, 2005

Fr. Alfred Roche, O.F.M. Capuchin

An article on Fr. Alfred Roche is published in the Barkur Online site on Jan 2004.

Excerpts from the article

Peter Roche (Alfred was a new name given by the Capuchins, so as to 'Renounce the Past and Embrace the Future' Capuchin way of life) was born to Mr. Isaac Roche and Carmine (nee Monteiro) of Moodahadu Kudru Vaado, of Barkur St. Peter's Parish, on 3rd April, 1924, South Kanara, in India. Mr. Isaac Roche was a landlord, holding coconut and rice farms. However, his love for God was so great, that he served the Barkur Parish as a sacristan for 40 years.

He got vested (official commitment to join Franciscan religious order) on 3.2.1944. His first profession took place on 11.4.1945 in Quilon, Kerala, and his perpetual profession on 11.4.1949. He was ordained to priesthood on 11.4.1951 in Kotagiri, Nilgiris, then in Madras State, thus was known as Fr. Alfred Roche OFM Cap. (Order of Friars Minor, Capuchins)

Fr. Alfred was the youngest one among the 5 children: Alphonso, Juliana, Louis, and Cecilia.

Alphonso Roche married to Mary Vas of Mangalore city proper was working for Grindlay's Bank,
Bombay, for many years. They lived in Bandra, with children Adolph, Percy, Alwyn, Sheryl and Astrid. Both Alphonso and Mary are expired now.

Juliana Roche married to Dennis Rebello (Anagally,) both are expired. They had three children: Stanley, Phelomena and Hilary. Hilary is expired. The rest of them are settled comfortably. Though Juliana became a widow in her twenties, her life of dedication and commitment to her children and fellow neighbors has been a source of inspiration to many.

Louis Roche married to Angelina D'Almeida. Louis Roche was working for P & T in
Bombay, while Angeline was a teacher in Barkur for some time, who opted to stay in Kudru, raising Rita, Jacintha, Jessie, Wilfred, and Sannu (Alfred Robert). Louis Roche expired whereas Angeline (Anjaal bai/Anjaal teacher) lives in Barkur Kudru with her son Wilfred, looking after the ancestral property.

Cecilia Roche married to Rosario Crasta of Kannada Kudru, near Kundapur. Both are in the embrace of the Merciful Father, the Lord God.
Rosario was a hard working innovative farmer, raising green/red peppers, brinjaals, melons, sugarcane, besides rice and coconuts in Kannada Kudru. Their children are: Frederick (Freddie), John (Johny), Lucy, Patrick (Pity) ofm cap, Alexander (Alsu), Edward (Eddu), Wilfred (Wilfie), Rudolf (Dolphy) S.V.D, and Godfrey. There are two of them priests, needless to say, influenced by Fr. Alfred, in one form or the other.

As per the old Franciscan custom, Fr. Alfred was ordained at Kotagiri (Nilgiris, Tamil Naadu, then Madras State), and his first Mass was at Barkur. It was a unique event in the history of Barkur Parish. Fr. Charles Nazareth was the parish priest then. On that day Fr. Alfred gave the first Holy Communion to two of his nephews: Patrick Crasta (his sister's son) and Adolph Roche (his brothers' son). Believe it or not both of them are ordained priests today.

His first appointment was at Monte Mariano, Farangipet, near Mangalore, just on the banks of the river Nethravathi, as Vice-Master. In 1956 he came to Brahmavar as the first capuchin parish priest of the Holy Family Church.

After his creative and constructive mission of 16 years at Brahmavar Fr. Alfred went to Binaga, close to Karwar, as the parish priest. Then he came to Lower Kasarkod (Honnavar) in 1975, where he had to take up a greater responsibility as the parish priest of St. Joseph's Church and the coordinator of the five mission stations (Samsi, Kodani, Molkod, Gundibala and Binaga) of the then Belgaum Diocese (presently part of the Karwar Diocese) which were entrusted to the care of the Capuchins.

He served at Lower Kasarkod for 12 years (1975-1981; 1987-1993, in between for six years he was at Farangipet as guardian of the monastery.) and then he returned as a retired friar to Brahmavar in 1994. In short, the mission fields of Fr. Alfred were: Farangipet (11 years), Brahmavar (19 years), Binga (3 years) and Lower Kasarkod (12 years).

The mortal remains of Fr. Alfred were brought in procession from St. Peter's church, Barkur, to Holy Family Church Brahmavar on the funeral day (1.1.1997)

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Tuesday, April 05, 2005

Sacred Heart Grotto

The web site of the Sacred Heart Grotto, Alanthalai, Tamil Nadu mentions Bishop G.F.T.Roche.

Could he be the same person as Bishop Francesco Tiburzio Roche?

Quotes from the site -

In the meanwhile, Tuticorin was elevated to the status of Diocese in 1923 and the first Latin rite Bishop Msqr. G.F.T.Roche S.J. was installed. When the Bishop passed through in the tram way to Manapad, he was given a warm welcome by the villagers except a few standing little away from the station. Seeing the converts His Lordship said "I also pray for my brothers who are standing away from here so that the blessings of Almighty God may continue to increase on them also". This sincere prayer in appeal melted the hearts of those few and peace returned on 3.12.1924.

On 30th June, 1928 his Excellency Bishop G.F.T.Roche blessed and inaugurated the Grotto.

While addressing the gathering he said, "Although this is a symbol of peace. I say this is a Pillar of Boons and Graces" Yes.this is the Miraculous Golden Grotto. On this grotto stands the King of Kings, the King of peace with open heart and outstretched hands to embrace the millions who honour Him. This Grotto is a place of solace to the grief stricken, a treat to lovers of art, a throne of blessing to childless couples to be blessed with off springs, a comfort house for the afflicted, a refuge for sinners and broken hearted, a paradise for the devotees.

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